Thursday, June 10, 2010

Statements From Whitman and Brown Campaigns

The campaign of Meg Whitman has issued the following statement in response to the comments made by Jerry Brown, quoted in my blog posting "Run Jerry Run."

"Just last week, Governor Brown promised he wasn't going to engage in mudslinging, but now he is comparing Meg Whitman to Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. Jerry Brown's statements comparing our campaign to a propagator of the Holocaust is deeply offensive and entirely unacceptable."

--Meg Whitman 2010 Campaign Manager Jillian Hasner

Jerry Brown's campaign spokesman, Sterling Clifford, confirms to the Associated Press that the conversation took place, describing it as "a discussion after a chance meeting while they were exercising. I wouldn't vouch for the accuracy of it, but I also don't want to dispute the accuracy of it. It was jogging talk taken out of context." He says Brown was not comparing the Whitman campaign to Nazis.

UPDATE: Friday afternoon, Jerry Brown issued the following statement: "I regret making the comments. They were taken out of context."

I stand by what I wrote, which is below, under "Run Jerry Run."

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

say goodnight moonbeam...

William said...

Strangely, Doug, you haven't mentioned what Goebbels is best known for.

The Big Lie theory of propaganda.

Namely, that if you repeat a lie constantly, with a massive push behind it, you can get people to believe it.

Anonymous said...

Brown is scum. He is a rat vermin union scum.

Anonymous said...

Watched this fruitcake being interviewed the other day and he is still a D- bag. And he keeps getting elected! Just think if he gets elected and Linda can lift her lard rear end off the couch long enough it can be like the good old days. Boone's Farm, good weed, wild sex, good tunes no cares what so ever, that's the Gov's office, the rest of the state can be given to mexico - oops too late.

Anonymous said...

Why repeat something that everyone knows is a disaster for the state? Remember it was Fruitcake Brown who abused his office to cover for ACORN when they were busted.

Anonymous said...

Remeber the old Coasters Tune Charlie Brown hes a clown Well just substitute Jerry for Charlie and it fits.

Anonymous said...

Run Jerry Run....as far away from California as possible. Why can't this recycled radical just wander off into the sunset.

Brown and Jimmy Carter can team up to search for their respective legacies.

Glenn Fuller said...

Don't see any "post below" associated with "orginal post".

Glenn Fuller said...

What original post?

Jerry Brown's campaign spokesman, Sterling Clifford, confirms to the Associated Press that the conversation took place, describing it as "a discussion after a chance meeting while they were exercising. I wouldn't vouch for the accuracy of it, but I also don't want to dispute the accuracy of it. It was jogging talk taken out of context." He says Brown was not comparing the Whitman campaign to Nazis. The original post is below.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't this account to Sexism? Why would you want to compare a woman to a Nazi leader? Can't he come up with another lady maybe Cleopatra or some other woman instead of being sexist over the issue?

Anonymous said...

Typical ploy-personal attack instead of debating the facts. Why anyone would want Gerry Brown back in office in CA is beyond me. Maybe someone should ask him why CA went from the top of the education ranks to the bottom during his watch...

Anonymous said...

If there is ever a fascist takeover in America, it will come not in the form of storm troopers kicking down doors but with lawyers and social workers saying. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

— Jonah Goldberg (Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning)

Anonymous said...

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William said...

Say, Doug, I see you've got the Drudge droids spewing their trademark far right venom here after they click on the link.

Congratulations.

Even if you'd explained why people refer to Goebbels today -- his Big Lie technique of propaganda -- they'd still be doing their thing.

Anonymous said...

I observe the socialists of the Democratic party are quick to label their opponents as racists and Nazis. It is hypocritical, that they worship Woodrow Wilson, a president who segregated schools, and whose propaganda skills were admired and copied by Goebbels as the model they should aspire to. Read Goebbel's diaries if you don't believe me.

Anonymous said...

I remember meeting Jerry Brown's father and actually had lunch with he and my boss and several other girls from the office. We were the decoration on the cake. That was when he was running for Governor of Calif. in 1956 approx. Knowing my boss and Jerry Brown's connections I would never vote for his son. Give me a hard working girl to get the job done and straighten out Calif.

An Actual Voter said...

Sorry for all of you who don't like what Jerry said, but lest you forget we are still Iraq for the same Big Lie reason - tell it long enough and people will believe it. Whitman crushed Poizner with her so-little-truth-they-really-were-lies ad blitz(kreig) that the label is perfectly appropriate. Give me Brown any day. I'd rather know what he really thinks, even if it isn't worded in perfect PC fashion. We've already seen what we'll get from Whitman - smoke in the form of b.s. ads, mirrors (no voting record at all) and smut (in the content of her anti-Poizner ads). Looks like money CAN buy at least a run for office, eh Meg?

Anonymous said...

Perfect timing Doug. Meg just spent close to $80M burying everyone with her media storm(or should I say 'blitz'?). What could Mr. Brown use right now?--and it's free!

Come November no one will be talking about the propaganda reference, but right now the saying goes "I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right"

Anonymous said...

Shes kinda got that german hag look, you know...

Even if she wins what can she do? Arnold was supposed to be the big savior until he ran up against the radical legislature and now he looks like a do nothing. We need Jerry now more than ever to purge all the phony conservatives from the California government. Let these commies screw it up even more and the backlash will clean them out later...

Eastbay_joe said...

Goebbels was a genius--an evil genius to be sure, but still a genius. His techniques are constantly used today by politicians of all stripes, although they don't acknowledge it. If you don't understand what Goebbels was doing, there is a lot about 21st century political campaigns that you won't be able to understand either. Whitman owns the airwaves, and has used that to control people's perceptions in very much the same way that Goebbels did.

This kind of bogus-sound-byte manufactured outrage has badly crippled our political discourse. You really should be able to draw historical parallels to someone in Nazi Germany without being accused of making holocaust references.

Anonymous said...

Whitman is indeed paying for a massive big lie type propaganda campaign.


She can spend hundreds of millions of dollars to brainwash the whole state into believing that Brown is a monster....when it is she who is using monstrous amounts of money to "win".

If the people of California have any sense they won't let Whitman mess with their minds.

Peggie Hamilton said...

Breaking in to the political commentary...I appreciated Doug's discussion (this morning on KCBS) of how carefully he approached the wisdom and ethics of posting these comments before doing so. Such thoughtful commentary can be hard to find, especially in an election year.

I realize that as a journalist, Doug probably figures this kind of scrutiny is a given, but it seems circumspection is not as valued or demonstrated as it once was.

Thanks, Doug. Rock on.

Anonymous said...

Moonbeam is a cancer, a union thug and a piece of human garbage that will rot in hell as a man who stood against god and against freedom, liberty and our country.

William said...

Too bad that his thoughtfulness didn't make it clear that Brown didn't call Whitman a Nazi, or provide the context of Goebbel's being most famous for the "Big Lie" theory of propaganda, or tell us when this encounter took place, how he had such specific quotes when he neither recorded it nor took notes, or how this went unremarked upon (no surprise, since there's generally no activity on this blog) until the Meg Whitman campaign blasted it out ...

> Peggie Hamilton said...
Breaking in to the political commentary...I appreciated Doug's discussion (this morning on KCBS) of how carefully he approached the wisdom and ethics of posting these comments before doing so. Such thoughtful commentary can be hard to find, especially in an election year.

Mike said...

Wow, William, whoever you are, why are you such a Doug-hater? I never saw the word "Nazi" in that entire blog post. He never says Brown called her a Nazi - so why do you say he didn't make that clear? Brown himself says "he invented this kind of propaganda" - so why does Doug have to reiterate it? How do you know he didn't take notes? And I am one of his regular readers - there are HUNDREDS of us - and I know he has won awards for this blog. So i think it's got plenty of activity! None of us remarked upon it because it was just another typically smart, funny, interesting blog from Doug. Whitman called attention to it to hurt Jerry - otherwise none of this controversy would ever have happened.

Mike said...

And P.S. to William: do you really, really think that If Doug had added in parentheses (Goebbels most famous for his Big Lie school of propaganda, etc...) that Whitman would have said, Oh, it's ok then, he's provided the proper context, I won't get offended or tell anyone about this? Get real.

William said...

So defensive.

I'm simply pointing out facts about this very odd situation.

Incidentally, it's highly unlikely that this blog is an award-winner, since there's virtually nothing here and it goes months without a post.

> I know he has won awards for this blog.

Mike said...

I thought you were pointing out facts. Seems to me you're just making your own decisions about what's "highly unlikely" and what isn't. I just looked back at the blog archive, which I guess you didn't bother to do. He blogged monthly in 2007, 2009 and 2010, and weekly in 2008, during the presidential election. That seems like a pretty consistent pattern to me. This isn't an everyday "blog." It's more like a column, on the side of what he says on the radio. They post his radio stories on it every day, and then he writes the extra column every month. That's hardly "virtually nothing". Do you not see all the audio, the links, etc? But never mind, you can just choose to believe your own reality, like all those right wingers you like making fun of.

Mike said...

And I challenge you to read his post from Haiti and not cry. If you do, you're not a human being.

William said...

Fact: Only 10 posts here in the 14 months before this little gem got dropped here the night after the primary, where it got picked up and spread by the Meg Whitman campaign.

Anonymous said...

We can tell the gubernatorial candidate who Doug Sovern and all his supporters approve here, and IT SURE AIN'T JERRY BROWN!! We Brown supporters had best just move along away from this blog.

Doug Sovern said...

Wow...people, people! Play nice! I'm sorry I haven't been here to monitor all of this; I was down in Anaheim for the AP awards. I'm about to post a followup blog to answer some of the questions and concerns that have been raised. I know some of you are impossible to satisfy, but I will do my best. The frequent assertion that I am some sort of conservative plant Whitman supporter is making the people who actually know me laugh really, really hard. So is the suggestion that there's something "suspicious" about what I wrote, or its timing. William, did I really only blog ten times in the last 14 months? I didn't realize I had neglected the blog that severely. Thank you for counting. By the way, I do microblog, on Twitter, five to ten times a day, sometimes more, so the tweets have really taken a lot of the oomph that used to go into the blog. And yes, hard as it may be to believe, it is true - we have won quite a few awards for the blog, both regionally and nationally. A couple were for political reporting, and the others were for Best Radio Website, with a selection of my blog posts part of our entry. Maybe we won in spite of those, not because of them, although that's not what the judges' comments said. Anyway, thank again everyone for all the comments, and I look forward to your reaction to the blog post I am just about to send out!

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